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Post by meliadus on Aug 2, 2018 15:27:40 GMT
I'll bring my brits down and we'll try out a couple of things.
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Post by Zhao Zilong on Aug 2, 2018 18:03:43 GMT
Thought you wanted to use your Russians this week?
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Post by meliadus on Aug 3, 2018 9:19:56 GMT
Yeah I do Alan, aye will do.
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Post by dandare on Aug 13, 2018 9:37:05 GMT
I think we all agreed on Sunday that the amendment made for a more realistic game:-
Assault columns getting a Disr from MUSKETRY must form line rather than charging. Alan suggested that there should be a DISC test to avoid this, which I think is a good idea.
I have a further suggestion- Alan pointed out correctly that Spanish Line (as an example) would be able to stop columns. can I suggest that if the column has a better SK value than the shooters, then the difference is deducted from the number of firing dice. I think this might go some way to restoring the balance- it was heavy skirmishing which either disrupted the columns or allowed the columns to bully other opponents. Thus, a French Column, SK2 attacking a British line SK2 or 3 , would take the full number of firing, but against Spanish (sk1) would only be shot at with 3 dice
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Post by Zhao Zilong on Aug 13, 2018 13:29:13 GMT
I think that's a good idea Don. My concern was that we were using the example of the British line stopping the columns as the normal, when in fact the British were the exception in a lot of ways. I think taken together those changes should make it more historical without making either formation too strong.
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Post by dandare on Aug 14, 2018 8:03:58 GMT
That was my thinking- the key was skirmishing. Both Britain and France employed large numbers of skirmishers. We ought to try Austrians and Russians vs French with the new rule, see how it works.
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Post by meliadus on Aug 14, 2018 12:01:25 GMT
Thing is the russians use attack column as do the austrians and the austrians can have a lot of skirmishers as well and being large units they can split half of them of to other units.
It'll be a wee while till I get the Austrians up anyway.
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Post by dandare on Aug 15, 2018 8:58:01 GMT
But most Austrian and Russian Line units are SK1 (or SK0). French are mostly SK2, British are SK2 with quite a few SK3 units. Also, in the conquest era, most armies have to use linear tactics, which prevents attack column. I might do some Austrians at some point- but I still have a lot of black paint to use up........
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Post by meliadus on Aug 15, 2018 20:59:28 GMT
1812 russians fought in column, Austrians as well i think, but mind wi the austrians they can have tons of decent skirmishers more than anybody else has, and they would have more than enough to give to every austrian regt a sk base. which would bring them up to sk 2 sure some of the french would be sk3, but no where near the Austrians.
I've still to get 15 more guns and still to paint up the four i have right now.
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Post by Zhao Zilong on Aug 15, 2018 23:09:52 GMT
The Austrians, Russians and Prussians used Line for defence and column for attack during the 'liberation' period of Lasalle (1812+). It was only in 1813 that the Austrians started using their skirmishers in a screening roll the way the British and French did, before that the integration wasn't up to standard even though they had a lot of them.
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