I've a feeling the JS 2 gun is wrong- it was the standard 122mm field gun, and it's armour penetration was not great- it should be the same as the WW2 version. The T10 gun was better, and should be a 0
It states ISU 152 has a 152mm howitzer, what does that mean in terms of gun class as it doesn't seem to give a specific classification?
The reason they've made the numbers for the Mk.3 and Josef Stalins similar is because they've grouped them together as immediate post war tanks. The reason they have done this is, if you take the WW2 RF classes for the IS', of 1, and then use that in this version of the AT chart, a gun class one can't hit an A or B class vehicle. So they've adjusted the scores to fit into their chart.
But the thing wi the 122 shell was its high explosive, they were made for mainly taking out dug in inf, it was also able to pene most german tanks, the only let down wi the brit armour was they still very boxy, comet and centurian examples, most nations were going for sloped, mind we're still taking 48 or there abouts
Yeah 1948ish (around Berlin Airlift). The 152mm on the ISU was capable of taking out the heaviest German tanks, King Tigers etc. I'm just not sure what its classed as in the link Don posted as it just says '152mm howitzer', without giving a classification. My assumption is there is something in the RF rulebook which will provide an explanation.
my reading is that the 122mm on the JS2/3 is AT1/He 12 points table 4. The 152mm is AT2, 12 pts table 5. I think the ISU 152 probably went out of service pretty soon after the war. The Russians kept the SU100 going, but I think most went to satellite states like Egypt. It's an excuse to use Bob's more exotic animals...... Alan, does anyone do a Tortoise in 176th....
ISU 152s (over 4,500 built) were in service until after the Hungrian Uprising in 1956, although at that point, mostly in reserve. I think in this case a tortoise is more exotic than an ISU since they only built 6... But I've got no issue if you want to use a tortoise or two. Is there another pdf with those AT values? Are they in the file called 'RAPID FIRE! Modifications for post-war conflicts'?
There is one problem we (or at least I) have overlooked... Do we have any Americans?
I've had some ideas about the campaign setting, and I've maybe overestimated the likelyhood that it would be the Soviet Union invading the West. Apparently between the end of the War and Stalin's death in 1953, the Soviets had adopted a defenesive strategy rather than offensive, to consolidate and stabalise their gains in Eastern Europe, and also taking into account the US' nuclear superiority at the time having more atom bombs than the Soviets. Although, the vast majority (if not all) were in the United States and all required bombers to deliver.
We could possibly do some sort of variation of 'Operation Unthinkable' which was planned by the British government as a potential back up if the Soviets turned on the allies.
I don't know what everyone already knows about Unthinkable but it was basically a quick British and American surprise attack by about 47 divisions around Dresden against the Soviets. The surprise element was essential due to the vast Soviet superiority in numbers. (The plan was developed before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so the British didn't know about the Manhatan project). It was eventually chucked as being too unfeasible but sounds like a premise for a campaign set in 1948-50. The Soviets knew about the plan due to the so called 'Cambridge 5' and Zhukov basically filled Poland with soldiers and tanks as a reserve in case.
Interesting about the ISU152- I'd assumed that they had gone off them post war. incidentally, I'd classify most Americans as Green, post war- judging by the Korean War. The US military had a huge run down after 1945.
Nope, Stalin knew about the Manhattan project before Truman and Churchill as Soviet spies had infiltrated it. Truman, only being VP leading up to FDR's sudden death, didn't have access. Churchill was told just before Yalta, and both he and FDR were surprised by Stalin's response upon being told, of 'I hope you put it to good use' before leaving.
Regarding the gun classes etc, I think it would be best to stick to this adaptation as is, it’s a good compromise, it removes any complication and will probably make for a more entertaining and enjoyable game for both sides. It’s also better than debating on end what should be what because of x, y and z reasons. What are everyone’s thoughts?
The British contributed a large team of scientists to the project, some of whom became very prominent parts of it (and one of whom would later be revealed as a Soviet spy). They also supplied certain materials. I think the issue was that Churchill didn't really understand it, and didn't know how far along it was. But yes Truman really knew shockingly little about the whole thing.
To be fair to the US troops in Korea, they were a very lightly equipped occupation force that had not expected any form of military conflict to break out ... and were led by Macarthur.
If we're thinking about the period around the Berlin Airlift, then conflict would probably likely start with the Allies either attempting to 'force' some kind of supply route through to Berlin, or with the Soviets deciding to interfere with the aerial supply route as the cause.
Yeah, weren't the first US troops there the occupation force from Japan? I don't really know enough about the American's in Korea, although the specifics of the Korean case maybe shouldn't be extrapolated to a hypothetical cold war gone hot situation, given the Korean peninsula's own peculiarities in terms of geography and in terms of the tactics used. I.e. a lot of guirella warfare, not a lot of armour on armour etc.
I think a good first scenario could be the allies forcing through a ground route in an attempt to break the blockade.
dandare: Any plans for Sunday the5th?
Jan 2, 2020 11:17:35 GMT
dandare: Turns out it's napoleonic
Jan 2, 2020 17:10:30 GMT
meliadus: It was a good game, meant to ask, what do you call the rules?
Jan 5, 2020 17:52:41 GMT
dandare: casrnage and glory
Jan 12, 2020 10:55:03 GMT
dandare: what's on the menu for Sunday 9th?
Feb 6, 2020 8:49:04 GMT
meliadus: Sorry not at club had a really bad night last night, getting to sleep bout 7 this morning.
Mar 1, 2020 15:23:23 GMT
Zhao Zilong: Hi Everyone, Just got a message from Brian saying he is unwell and won't be able to come to the club today. Since he has the keys looks like we'll have to cancel. Sorry for the short notice
Mar 8, 2020 11:05:03 GMT
meliadus: No worries, just hope he's okay Alan, cheers mate.
Mar 8, 2020 11:10:35 GMT
dandare: Are we on for next Sunday?
Mar 10, 2020 9:04:30 GMT